Boycott Madonna Over Remarks?

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dylan923
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Boycott Madonna Over Remarks?

Post by dylan923 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:46 pm

A listener brought up the question of whether radio stations should pull Madonna music over her remarks concerning the blowing up of the White House. My answer is a resounding YES.

Remember the incredibly vile fallout over Natalie Maines merely saying she was ashamed Bush was from Texas?

Where now is the fallout and backlash over Madonna claiming on national television she has thought often about blowing up the White House?

This is NOT Constitutionally protected Free Speech, Natalie Maines remarks WERE.

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Re: Boycott Madonna Over Remarks?

Post by countryboy » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:26 pm

The Constitution doesn't make distinctions over what speech is protected. She didn't encourage anyone to blow up the White House. If she had, that would be inciting violence. Her statement was that she's thought about it. Not unlike Juan Williams saying he has had thoughts when he sees someone in a turban boarding a plane. Was that anti-Muslim? I don't know. The fact is people find all reasons to play or not play music. It won't matter to Madonna. No one is going to arrest her for what she said. If you want to drop an artist because of her politics, that's your opinion. If you live in a Republican area, it'll probably be popular. But if it's a big city, it probably won't.

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Re: Boycott Madonna Over Remarks?

Post by countryboy » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:14 am

BTW wasn't there a movie where they blew up the White House? Should they ban that movie now and arrest the people connected with it?

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Re: Boycott Madonna Over Remarks?

Post by pdjobs91462 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:05 pm

One has to have hits in order to ban.

Madonna's hits are 30 years old. Madonna doesn't need radio.

The Chicks were still climbing!!

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Re: Boycott Madonna Over Remarks?

Post by dylan923 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:21 pm

countryboy wrote:The Constitution doesn't make distinctions over what speech is protected. She didn't encourage anyone to blow up the White House. If she had, that would be inciting violence. Her statement was that she's thought about it. Not unlike Juan Williams saying he has had thoughts when he sees someone in a turban boarding a plane. Was that anti-Muslim? I don't know. The fact is people find all reasons to play or not play music. It won't matter to Madonna. No one is going to arrest her for what she said. If you want to drop an artist because of her politics, that's your opinion. If you live in a Republican area, it'll probably be popular. But if it's a big city, it probably won't.
Actually the United States Supreme Court has placed limitations on what is and is not protected free speech. Certain kinds of contents has been ruled to have either more limited protection, or in some cases, no protection at all. Among unprotected categories of speech are pornography (obscenity), child pornography, “fighting words,” and incitement to imminent violent action, such as threats to kill an individual. One of the earliest and best examples of this is Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919).

Another one more consistent with the Madonna statements is Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 US 568 - 1942. This case deal specifically with what the Court has called "FIGHTING WORDS AND TRUE THREATS.

Here is a link to a geat article from the Congressional Research Service which addresses in detail this very issue on un-protected speech and my source for Chaplinsky:

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/95-815.pdf

So not only can you not yell "FIRE in a theater and claim free speech, when the United States Secret Service immediately initiates an investigation into remarks made, dare one could draw the conclusion that Madonna's statement about blowing up the White House falls directly under the category named above.

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Re: Boycott Madonna Over Remarks?

Post by dylan923 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:26 pm

pdjobs91462 wrote:One has to have hits in order to ban.

Madonna's hits are 30 years old. Madonna doesn't need radio.

The Chicks were still climbing!!
Agreed, however you fail to take into account the enormous success of the Dixie Chicks album, TAKING THE LONG WAY, released after the Natalie Maines debacle which debuted at #1 on the Billboard 200. The album was also certified double platinum and won 5 Grammy's 3 of which were Album of the Year, Record of the Year, and Song of the Year. And this was AFTER THE FACT

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Re: Boycott Madonna Over Remarks?

Post by 963wlyb » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:28 pm

It depends on the market. We are a Rhythmic AC, and had some her titles in the daytime rotation. Her music was starting to wane even before this. We did get some complaints from our listeners, and decided to pull the remaining titles. No one has said what happened to the Madonna songs on your station? , and we don't plan to make a big issue about it.

I think the difference is that this statement implied a act of destruction, and was condemned no matter on what side your views are. Even she tried to roll back her comments.

What celebrities need to understand is most fans enjoy your creative talents, not their personal views, but that is not to say you don't have the right to express them.

But she is 60, and is financially secure, so do you really think she cares about public opinion at this point.

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Re: Boycott Madonna Over Remarks?

Post by countryboy » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:07 pm

"dare one could draw the conclusion that Madonna's statement about blowing up the White House falls directly under the category named above."

So now you're placing yourself as the Supreme Court? I don't think so. Look if you want to ban some singer because you don't like her politics, go ahead. I don't care. But she has the right to say whatever she wants, even if you don't like it. It's been a week, and no one has arrested her for what she said. So obviously it's not a crime. Even if you think it is.

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Re: Boycott Madonna Over Remarks?

Post by corneo » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:54 pm

The problem with Madonna comment is that she is a celebrity and really shouldn't said it. She has her crazy fans. Her comment by itself is not the issue, it's the fear of what a fan may do to please Madonna.

Remember the Hinkly/Foster/Reagan issue. That guy is still in the nut house. (I think)

Plus freedom of speech is limited. You cannot go into a movie theater and scream "fire" because you would be change with inciting a riot if somebody got hurt.
BTW: reporters have been arrested at the event that Madonna was at for "inciting a riot" because they were caught telling people to do things so they could record it for the news.

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Re: Boycott Madonna Over Remarks?

Post by countryboy » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:51 pm

"BTW: reporters have been arrested at the event that Madonna was at for "inciting a riot" because they were caught telling people to do things so they could record it for the news."

Really? Do you have a reference for that?

"She has her crazy fans. Her comment by itself is not the issue, it's the fear of what a fan may do to please Madonna."

We have that same problem with the President.

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